well, to name one product, it is your liquid clay, it dissolves the paint on my car, i thought that maybe it is happening because i may have been agressive with the pad but then i experimented, i only spread it with the pad making sure i was applying no pressure at all, then i rinsed it off with water, the water that was coming off was red (colour of the car) , since the paint was already thin, now primer was exposed. and if you use the claybar afterwards, the clay bar starts to stick to the paint and pull it off. when i used your clay bar without using liquid clay previously then the problem wasn't this bad but the clay was still sticking. i swapped your clay lube for mothers qd and no more sticking clay issue. and i have experience with both your ice and refine and shine kits, the clay in both of them sticks because of bad lube
and my claying technique is correct. i have used mothers and even chinese non branded clay, and both of them didn't have sticking issues, they wouldn't stick even when i used regular water to lube